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Claws straight up wanted to break the game

I will say Xans wish was one of the better ones

rock meets hard place said:

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Im still not scum :)

Matthieu said:

My concern is we often reach a point where even with an inactivity kill in play, there's often enough players inactive to render such obsolete...or that particular role ends up being taken out at night.

If we're unsure where to go, taking out someone who isn't contributing is a solid plan.

Morrison was the first name on BN's list of inactive players, if I recall correctly. So I'll start there.

Vote: Morrison

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Doesnt matter, Night will come shortly. When VK becomes available. Ive taken my win and moving on.

Welcome back to the game MTR. Looks like scum need to kill you again.

Game, dont be dumb and lynch MTR. He is not red, he is not team rocket. Someone should protect him tonight.

Some people are pretty damn dense. Why do you think ive been adamant about Exodia/Team Rocket being separate... Or knowing that the wish hadnt been granted?

@rock meets hard place Thank you for my win.

rock meets hard place said:

I'm on team factional abity and I don't really think Meowth would rez a player not on his team.

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rock meets hard place said:

I don't think the wish has been granted

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So you think the meowth event is BS? or you think whoever is rezzed is 100% on team rocket?

rock meets hard place said:

In general, MTR is a "pro town" rez b/c we know he's town/3p. Getting Val's flip is only mildly interesting .

We also know that one of MTR/Val was 3p or at least that's how I'm interpreting things.

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How are you interpreting either as 3p?

Val could be town/3p/scum... just not exodia
MTR could be town/3p... unlikely to be scum based on who killed him

Doesnt mean either have to be 3p. Both could be town for all we know.

WindwardAway said:

Because I would rather resurrect MTR who is in most probabilities town, than Val, and that res came after Matthieu's wish.
I didn't know that using up res mechanics leads to a flip reveal, though, so that's at least somewhat useful. I'm just worried if we don't know what Val is, and he gets resurrected, we might possibly waste a day or action killing him again.

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Again, Wishes are still being made and the wish post is being updated. Dont you think if the wish rez was the one that happened, VK would say wishes are done?

We also dont know who was rezzed.

WindwardAway said:

Boo

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Why are you opposed to a rez? Typically if/when all rezzes are used, we get all the flips. Wouldnt you want them used early?

WindwardAway said:

Agree
Doubt that scum goes this far out of their way to resurrect a teammate so obviously... Unless scum controls the wish granter, but considering Giovanni is yellow, I doubt that.
On the other hand, it could also happen if Val is scum with a powerful role that they want in play.

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Matt will defend Val no matter his alignment. So cant really say matt/val both cant be town or both cant be scum, or any other combination. The defense is NAI. Not to mention Val died N1 last game, so its a bit of a dick move to kill him N1 a 2nd game in a row.

I understand that Val needed to provide more to the game for others to generate a read, but Matt knows his style pretty well and generally has a decent read on him.

Whats interesting is that Exodia went after someone with required posts and vote, when there were others that didnt meet either.

@PsychoSoldier I just feel that if it was due to a wish, VK would have mentioned that we can stop making wishes

PsychoSoldier said:

You think the flavor with Meowth was a takeout?

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Could be a fakeout, could be an actual rez at play. Who knows. Team Rocket was known for scheming and it not working out for them most the time.

PsychoSoldier said:

I actually kinda think Team Rocket might be one player. Giovanni announced the wish, but Meowth granted it. That reads like a role where different abilities are different characters.

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I still dont think we've had a wish granted

Matthieu said:

Only one wish can be granted for the day phase and one was already chosen.

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I feel that if a wish had been granted, we would have been informed. We can check the wish thread and see if it is still getting updated after the meowth event.

rock meets hard place said:

Watch it be MTR. Team Rocket has always been 3 unless they added anyone in latter times.

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The typically Team rocket in games/cartoons was Jesse, James and Meowth. We saw action from Giovanni last night and meowth today. Wouldnt surprise me if different actions get displayed as different characters. The WWE/WCW game had loads of multi-characters baked into 1 role. I was a JOAT in that game and had access to 5 different people that could show up in the writeup. No something to dismiss. I feel this game likely has many people with multiple characters.

Claws said:

Could be i think exodia is and he gets a day shot after 6pieces (ppl) like in the other game recently

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Exodia had 5 pieces. He seems to be looking for 3 more, or gain 3 more after kills. Who knows what happens after he gets fully formed. In the cartoon and game, having all 5 pieces of Exodia out was an instant win. So not sure if that would mean the player is done... or if it just turns into a full vig/sk or something else

Claws said:

i wish every1 to have a turn rolling the dice of demise

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you really wanna think the heard fast

Claws said:

I like it as it also messes with the mods grand plans

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Guess it all depends on what kind person we have as wishgranter

@morrison @Listo95 @Tildey @DivaSmurf @Kareemah @Mazer @FutureHold

You lot have been more or less MIA this game. Any thoughts?

Claws said:

I cant really specify but ill just say yes

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think im picking up what your putting down.

rock meets hard place said:

I wish Blind Ninja were dead.

I wish matthieu would lose his protection.

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So humor me for a moment...

How would you feel about these wishes, when these people flip green?

Claws said:

Your close tho

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So just a convo in the night, or was it during the day?

rock meets hard place said:

I have a hard time understanding how mat, grumpy and ninja can still think im scum

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you are dense... and claim I dont read your shit.

Read what ive posted. I said you are completely cleared as town. Scum have, can and often do roles like RB on themselves. Sure vanilla is a bit extra, but depending on the scum roles, not unheard of. Also said you are not someone id be willing to go. I think everyone can be scum, except for MTR who was killed by scum.

Claws said:

Praise the fox whos voice is the word and drowns out all others

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the fox whispers to you in the night?

3puppies said:

If I came across as an ass to you, I apologize profusely and sincerely.

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Pretty sure he is referring to me.

3puppies said:

My understanding is that if jailed/roleblocked, in a rajah style game, their character does not appear. Which for example, clears Xanjori and CWE of being any of the red roles that acted.

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All depends on order of actions we have in the game

CWE said:

CWE doesn't base day 2 votes on info. It is a vote pulled 100% from my gut (liver).

It's a vote I feels in my bones.

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we dealing with drunk or sober CWE right now?

rock meets hard place said:

is there a reason you are being such an ass to me?

but yes you're right Emrakul and Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon aren't the same a similar vein of thought

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You want me to be an ass? Because ive been tame.

WindwardAway said:

If someone is roleblocked, would their action not show up in this list? Cause we do have someone claiming to be roleblocked, I'm just not really sure how it works.

Because then there would be even more flavors not in the writeup.

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You have to interpret the writeups. We only get that piece, unless people come out with additional information

3puppies said:

I am with CWE - My first thought is that the action red took on Cape felt like some sort of protection of another scum - perhaps make them appear to be green, or that attacks on them would rebound,

Impmon was not about to be outdone by another impish monster. He set out from the secret Kaiba Corp location and located Cape90. Impmon spoke a spell quickly and warped the shadows around Cape90 to change the reality of incoming assaults.

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Could also be a frame job on Cape.

rock meets hard place said:

When I read the intro I saw the mention of 5 names. Using the n2 write up the scum team is something like

Agumon/The Shivan Dragon
Seto Kaiba/The Ur-Dragon
Emrakul/Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon
Gabumon/Impmon
Gatomon/Silver Queen

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I mean, thats cute. Last night was N1, and we are currently on D2.

Not to mention Emrakul and Blue Eyes both acted last night

3puppies said:

Aren't they both in yellow? Team Rocket surely has more than one player if they are a team... And void surely would have given them a different color if they were not together, wouldn't he?

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Sure they are both yellow.

But Exodia reads as a SK/Vig

Giovanni is def team rocket as the leader from the cartoons

CWE said:

Huh...alive on day 2? Time for me patented "random" day 2 vote.

Vote: Cape

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you expected to be dead? or expected Cape to die?

3puppies said:

There are more characters named so far than players. I have a strong feeling that in order to mess with spreadsheeters, many of us players will have multiple roles. There may be ON/EN actions, or powers may need to reload, so I doubt we will come close to getting a full list of characters until much later in the game.

I would appreciate correction in the following if I have messed something up -

I get our team as Green = Industrial Illusions

Pegasus
Ash
Charizard
Dark Magician
Saggi the Dark Clown
Time Magician
Ditto
Mythic Tree Dragon
Feral Imp
Machamp
Aegislash
Garbador
Summoned Skull
Zapdos
Gaia the Fierce Knight

The primary scum team from the write up is Red - Kaiba Corp
Seto Kaiba
Agumon
Emrakul
Shivan Dragon
Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon
Gabumon
Impmon
Silver Queen

The yellow team is Team Rocket, and thus far only includes -

Exodia

Giovanni

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I would say that Exodia and Team rocket are likely 2 different entities and not together

There is a Wishgranter present in the game for Day 2. All players may submit up to two wishes in the thread and the Wishgranter may grant one of them. The granted wish will take effect immediately and only one wish may be granted. To submit a wish, please make a post with your wish(es), in any form of BLUE and BOLDED text and start it with “I wish”. Once the wishes are wished for, they cannot be changed or altered.

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Dont forget we have a wishgranter in play as well.

PsychoSoldier said:

I think it only counts if MTR was asleep. Gotta keep the memes alive.

But Future hasn't exactly had the best start to this game so far. He's also kind of a slow starter though.

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He kinda slow plays most the game.

Speaking of slow playing...

Vote: Morrison

rock meets hard place said:

does she like not post as mafia or something?

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NIghtingale is usually a pretty consistent poster. Not posting is very unlike her. So definitely something game related.

Cape90 said:

are we supposed to read into that? i thought it was flavor

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Its nice to know what roles are out there. And who they act on. The actions will likely get fleshed out a bit more once everyone looks at the night actions and gives input on things that may or may not have happened to them.

So voting for Nightingale causes a self vote...

And she still hasnt posted.

rock meets hard place said:

what if I was the one roleblocked and Xan wasn't the one roleblocked? GC said scum can write fake right ups

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Its an ability that has been used in the past. But not in every game

Blind Ninja said:

you think that VK will update after each person just to appease you?

Vote: Nightingale

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VoidKitten said:

Day 2 Vote Count:

Psycho - 3 (Crackle #641, Windward #645, Rock #690)
DivaSmurf - 2 (Psycho #639)
Blind Ninja - 1 (Blind Ninja #689)

Not Voting: 3puppies, Cape90, Claws, CWE, DivaSmurf, FutureHold, GrumpyCat, Kareemah, Listo95, Llettuce, Matthieu, Mazer, Morrison, Nightingale, Tildey, Xanjori

Current Modified Majority: 4

It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end on Aug 16th at 8:00pm ET or when majority is reached. With 21 players alive, majority is 11 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by end of day, modified majority comes into play. If modified majority is not reached, there will be no elimination.

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Yeah... so thats interesting... anyone else wanna try to vote Nightingale?

Unvote:
Vote: Tildey

Another test.

Crackleslap said:

In which case I propose every one cast a vote, followed by a vote count. Or ya scum.

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you think that VK will update after each person just to appease you?

Vote: Nightingale

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rock meets hard place said:

like I was literally targeted by scum and dude is like "nah I'm not gonna town read him." He's either trolling me or a completely braindead thought

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Dude, do you even read what I type.

All I said was a RB and Vanilla dont give you 100% town clear. And you come back with, BN is scum and needs to die. Get over yourself. If I was scum, you'd be dead.

PsychoSoldier said:

I guess that's fair, but I know I wouldn't want to waste my vanilla on a self target. Especially on n1 on a slot that probably would have lived a couple phases longer without getting got.

Even still I think the general bullheaded approach on d1 is more likely to come from town, and I liked his half in the interactions with Xan.

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Also fair, but I can give a full clear as town based on the n1 actions. Still too much to play for. And things will become clearer as the game progresses. He is definitely now a lot lower on the list of people to go after.

rock meets hard place said:

no, scum roleblocked me. you need to die.

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Still not scum... Seems you just have a hatred for me :)

PsychoSoldier said:

Also, yeah, rock is like almost certainly always town here. Or in the least not red. I don't think Emrakul was a roleblock because Blue Eyes was a roleblock. I guess they maybe could have had double blocks, but it feels like scum did something to him that would be backwards to do to yourself. Even if it was Summoned Skull that vanilla'd him.

rock, can you actually talk about what all happened to you? Confirm with Void, but usually we can admit anything that happened to us overnight.

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ive played games where scum have RB'd their own and even vanilla'd their own.

If they have a role they feel is meh, it would be any easy way to get town cred on one of their own.

Not saying he is red, but I cant just give him a town read based on a vanilla

rock meets hard place said:

I am literally confirmed town

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Because you were targeted by 3 ppl and not dead? Hard to say confirmed town based on that

Kareemah said:

Wow I was not expecting so much to happen in one day

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Rolemadness... Not surprising this much happened

Claws said:

are you reading this off your card

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You think id do that?

PsychoSoldier said:

@DivaSmurf Can you give us thoughts on players from the last phase as well as writeup stuff?


I'm still slowly working my way through the writeup, but the dumb part of my brain feels like if rock got vanilla'd there, BN is scum that wanted to troll him

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If I was scum, I wouldnt troll Rock 2 games in a row. I'd kill him

OK... lot to unpack in that writeup

The Ur-Dragon - Watcher/tracker????
Ditto -
Mythic Tree Dragon - Motivator
Emrakul - Vanilla-izer?
The Feral Imp - BG?
Impmon - Framer?
Exodia - Inactivity Vig (goal to get 4+ kills)
Machamp - RB/Jail
Time Magician - Watcher/tracker?
Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon - RB?
Aegilash - Cop/RoleCop?
Garbador - Redorector?
Summoned Skull - Cursed?
Silver Queen - Some form of disadvantage
Zapdos - Shielder
Gaia the Fierce Knight - Cop/Parity cop
Shivan Dragon - Faction kill
Giovanni - Wishgranter?

Xanjori said:

So Exodia is an SK that is powering up from NKs and needs to be stopped before they reach 4?

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Could be inactivity Vig that potentially becomes a full vig if gets kills and recovers all parts.

FutureHold said:

NOOOOOOOOO NOT MTR

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Seems fake and forced

Cape90 said:

honestly, i mostly did that to get off GrunpyCat and not vote Sleep while doing so

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Fair. I feel dirty voting sleep, but didnt feel like we would make an impact anywhere else

So in the interest of getting a vote out, knowing it'll just make it harder to get an actual lynch off...

Vote: Sleep

well... I dont like the sleep vote. Dont feel Grumpy is the way to go right now either.

Lets try something, and get called scummy for suggesting it...

Chinese Fire Drill to someone that hasnt even shown up like Tildey or Nightingale? Or you just wanna leave that to the potential inactivity vig

Cape90 said:

Vote: BlindNinja

I like Psycho's response

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Curious as to why... I know Rocks iffy reasoning is he didnt like my pushback early D1

WindwardAway said:

What's a Rajah style game?

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Loads of info in writeups

Im in the same boat as Psycho. Would rather see a lynch over sleep.

rock meets hard place said:

matt will die on p1

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no he wont

WindwardAway said:

And some of those voted sleep

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Sure, some voted sleep... but it was more the fact that some people not listed hadnt voted, myself included

Crackleslap said:

Anyone ready to sell me something for my vote?

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other then trying to sell your vote, have any opinions on people this game yet?

FutureHold said:

I am always busy, I try to find time but it never really works out, I'm working on freeing up my schedule to talk more

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ok... so opinions? or did you see the pings and feel the need to just post "im busy"

rock meets hard place said:

this is also multiball, for a lack of a better term. So psycho could still be scum while legit hunting the other team.

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Where are you getting multiball?

Feels more town/scum/3p based on the colors chosen in the OP

Cape90 said:

So some updated reads

WWA felt towny to me
Psycho less so, but they brought up decent points
Blind Ninja felt... okayer recently
GrumpyCat is kinda in a stagnant place of being scummy IMO.
Mazer feels gimmick posty. But I am unfamilar with how they usually are.
Crackleslap is probably just town for all of the things they are doing like giving their vote out to the "highest bidder" and encouraging people to vote them out.
FutureHold is one I noticed a 3 hour gap between their first and second posts. Maybe worth taking note of. Though I have called people scum for this in the past and it has failed me every time so... LMAO they town?
MTR just seems like one of those players who I will likely struggle making heads of tails of due to play style.

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Mazer asked in the signup what gimmick he should do d1. This usually fades from D2 forward. Just something to do for fun and entertainment value.

Cape90 said:

man no wonder this game felt like I didn't have much to say

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3pups usually coupons on the weekend, so get why they are low.

MTR can speak more on Kareem, Diva, Future and Tildey. Think he said Tildey had to work some this weekend. Future was doing boy scout stuff (iirc). Not sure about Diva and Kareem.

Val/Morrison are usually on the lower post count, but still expected a bit more from them by now.

Then Nightingale... really not like her to sign up and not even post. So hope she's ok.

@MTR How do you feel about 4/6 of the House is below the 5 post count? They been that busy?

Cape90 said:

did you know it was gonna do something positive when you voted Matthieu?

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I assumed it would be a prize of some sort. After hearing the choices, I wasnt surprised that he picked solo protection.

Cape90 said:

Why are there so many sleep votes?
Like I usually only see stuff like that when a town has died or something day 1.

And Matthieu doesn't seem technically dead obviously since he has the whole immunity thing

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This forum is a combination of people from Rajah.com and MMO-C. Rajah style games are HEAVILY influenced by the writeups. Given that, people want to have the most information available before deciding who to chop 1st. MMO-C used to lynch D1, unless didnt reach majority or mod-maj. Didnt have as elaborate writeups so was more about interactions. Given that this is a more Rajah style game, people will likely spreadsheet to figure out things over interactions in thread. But most mods have done things to fuck with spreadsheeters a bit and make that more of a challenge.

Cape90 said:

Okay well... all this is a thing regarding Matthieu.
Given what I see here it seems NAI probably.

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Immunity is a pretty common prize here. And Im not surprised he picked it over the other options, given he was killed early last game. All of Matts action, including his sleep vote, have been NAI.

So we are about 4hrs away from EoD.

@Kareemah @3puppies @DivaSmurf @FutureHold @Val the Moofia Boss @morrison are all below the recommended 5 posts per day

Them we have @Tildey and @Nightingale who havent posted at all.

We also have several people, in addition to these, who havent voted. Would hate to see someone killed off for inactivity on D1.

WindwardAway said:

Matthieu, if you really want an answer, it's because in the previous game i played here, you voted sleep very consistently every day as scum until you needed an elimination on town. Everyone else varied their votes.

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TBF, he's been voting sleep early on D1 as both alignments. I see it as scummy, others see it as NAI. He was Doc last game and voted sleep d1

@Matthieu Figured after killing you last game, I should be nice.

Matthieu said:

Why do you want to eliminate me so badly in the first place? I recall you suggesting something about my vote to sleep being suspicious but...many other players have done just that themselves since and yet you're still only going after me.

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Your welcome. I gave you another raffle ticket by voting 13 :)

So the raffle tickets were based on peoples number in the OP.

I expect to see Matt again in the near future. Will likely come back at the start of D2.

Vote: 13

Taking a different route then straight voting the number next to my name. Going with my Fav number. 3 or 23 would have been other options.

rock meets hard place said:

Well, it's true that you aren't reading my posts .I'm not a big fan of your "I wouldn't do that 2 games in a row" when no one called you on it last game.

if you think it sucks that llettuce can't change the number vote why do you think her actions are pro-town?

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Again, if im not reading your posts, how do I know this is targetted at me if not a quoting me...

Llettuce's vote for 5 is NAI. We dont have information to determine if it is pro-ton or anti-town. If you've actually read my posts, you would have seen that at least once by now.

And you didnt call my actions scummy last game? I think you are calling me scummy because I dont feel llettuce's vote is terrible. Since again, we dont know what the number vote is for.

And shit, if you think Im scum and scummy based on our interactions, fucking vote me. Not some lame ass excuse of thinking the 5 vote based on someones feeling, was bad and anti-town.

Cape90 said:

ngl i have no idea what ur saying

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There are 6 people, that we've called the house of MTR, playing this game. MTR, Tildey, Diva, Future, Llettuce and Kareem. I asked MTR for a way too early opinion on who is town/scum. Since it is highly unlikely that all of them randed town. That was it.

rock meets hard place said:

yeah, you are scum again prob. You are doing that same thing where you clearly aren't reading my posts.

I did think that it was to add to the vote making us all effectively double voters but the vc makes me think not so I think that I'm going with 3pups idea that it's for a prize. You can't move the 3's vote once you use it and I don't think it was very pro-town to just randomly throw it out there until we had a chance to discuss it.

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whaaaaaa.... he's not reading my posts.... whaaaaa

I mean, you could reply to me with concerns. And Im reading your posts. I disagree with you. Im gauging you based on your responses to it. And you think I would repeat the same act 2 games in a row as the same alignment? Bold dont ya think? But not, not scum this game.

Dont worry, I know im going to be an early target based on last game.

Again, prot/anti town, we dont know. We dont know what the number vote is. Could be a prize (short term immunity, bpv, kill, etc), could be a random effect for the game, could be a random lynch. 1st person that voted showed it was a separate vote count. That gave information to the game. How is giving info to the game anti-town? While the inability to move said vote sucks, I dont see early votes on it as scummy.

rock meets hard place said:

let's say that the vote is to lynch, then I don't think that using the vote is particularly useful. and if the vote is for a prize she's giving it a way to an unknown alignment. I'm not seeing anything super pro-town

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So do you think its an additional vote to lynch?

What options do you think would be pro-town for this number vote?

Again, we dont know what the vote is for. So you being upset that someone put forth a vote seems a bit extra.

Rocks vote on Llettuce for voting 5 is weak at best. None of us have any inclination of what that 2nd vote is. Sure it can be seen as anti-town, IF the result is something negative to town. Would Rock see this vote as pro-town if the result of the number vote gives town something good?

llettuce said:

Who is winward

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A player... I was mistaken and forgot Kareem... knew it was 6 of ya

oh yeah, Kareem... might not be winward

rock meets hard place said:

who is this "house of mtr" MTR, fUTURE AND ????

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MTR, Tildey, Future, Diva, lletuce, Winward

rock meets hard place said:

so it just feels like a waste to throw it away on p1

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I mean, we dont actually know what what the number vote does.

So why does it scare you?

MTR said:

While I am inclined to believe that the vote on a number is for a slot occupied by one of us, I can't see Void making it that easy for us to figure out where the vote is going.

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I outlined thoughts about the vote earlier... wonder if its a random effect that happens and isnt even related to people playing

MTR said:

What's up peeps? Nice to see Windward again. Been a while. Also nice to see someone new in Cape. Well new to me anyway I guess not everyone though.

The most important thing is the fact that the whole House of MTR is playing this game. Which means we will probably be at each others throats because we are just a bit competative around here and always sus of each others. Tildey will say otherwise but it is true.

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Give me the way too early to tell read on the house of MTR. Because with what, 6 of you, more then likely 2 have pulled scum. Id be game to go down this route today.

Unsure if it would be straightforward... Could be numbers from signup, could be random numbers, could be numbers in OP.

Might be a random extra vote on the person toward lynch. Might be immunity. Might be 1shot kill. We both know how this mod works.

Cape90 said:

I am unfamilar with the customs, what is tradition?

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For me, tradition would be to vote Matt on d1, til things consolidate. Others have a normal 1st vote.

Hmmm... Vote claws for broken sig? or go with tradition?